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Last Updated : November 20, 2008
Source : Student's Life application Bible, Ultimate Issues, Page 1082.
I did not write this.
If you're like most American teenagers, the day you get your driver's license and can take the car out for a drive -- alone -- is a day you dream (or dreamed) of. Before that, Mom, Dad, or the driving teacher rode "shotgun" to make sure you drove safely. But now, with your license, you're on your own. The thrill of freedom and the increased sense of responsibility make you feel like an adult. No one will tell you when to stop or remind you to use your turn signal. It's up to you.
Suppose you decide that, contrary to everything you've been told up to now, you want to drive on the left-hand side of the road. (Remember, we're talking about the U.S./Canada, not England or Hong Kong.) You will quickly encounter serious opposition to your choice of driving style (like a head on collision). You can either learn from your observations and experiences, or you can insist that you have the right to drive however you wish, and whatever happens, happens.
When it comes to driving, it's pretty obvious what the wisest choice is. In Romans 1, Paul addresses an issue that seems equally clear-cut, and yet men and women have struggled with it since Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden. The issue is homosexuality.
Paul argues that all people everywhere are without excuse in knowing that there is a god. Proclaiming that nature itself reveals its Creator, Paul then begins a scathing rebuke against people who deny God and HIS PLAN FOR CREATION. Paul has particularly harsh words for those who engage in the sins of idolatry and homosexuality. These people, he writes, go against God's design for human sexuality, and in so doing will experience drastic consequences for their behaviour. Like our fictional teenage driver, men and women who practice homosexuality experience tremendous opposition -- socially, emotionally, and physically. Yet they ignore all these warning signs.
Two important messages need to be given on the subject of homosexuality. One is for our society, which has lost any meaningful idea sin, righteousness, holiness, and the truth. That message is that all lifestyles are not acceptable. Some lifestyles -- such as alcoholism, or materialism ... or homosexuality -- are wrong; they are sinful. Those who engage in such behaviours should come to God in confession and repentance and ask for His forgiveness and healing.
The second message is for the church (meaning all Christians). What they need to understand is that while homosexuality is a sin, it is not the unforgivable sin. God loves homosexuals just as much as He loves other sinners. Jesus' death on the cross paid for the sin of homosexuality, just as it paid for the sins of lying, greed, lust, hate, and pride. It has been said -- and it is true -- that the church is a HOSPITAL FOR SINNERS, not a showcase for saints. It is a place where those caught in the sin of homosexuality can come to be freed and forgiven. It is a place where those who have committed the sins of hatred, prejudice, and self-righteousness toward homosexuals need to go to ask the Lord for forgiveness and healing.
Homosexuals, like all sinners stand guilty before God. If that were the whole story, there would be no hope. The great message of the book of Romans -- and the entire Bible -- is that there is hope for all sinners of all kinds through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He is the one who will set us free, regardless of our sin.
Title: Reply: Homosexuality
Date : July 24, 2009
Writer : Jessica - Memories Fade . Org
In reply to this essay. This short essay is not meant to offend the writer of the essay. It is merely a dissension to the essay.
The idea that traffic laws and “the laws of God” over homosexuality are related is flawed. Traffic laws are in place for the safety of the drivers, passengers, and pedestrians who travel along roads and side-walks. The idea to drive on one side of the road is only common sense, because if the law isn’t in place, then anyone traveling along the road could be involved in a head-on collision possibly resulting in death or in any range of injury. This has nothing to do with spirituality and it does not correlate with homosexuality being unacceptable in society. Driving on the wrong side of the road and homosexuality are both deemed unacceptable for different reasons. The first one being what I stated above: safety reasons. The second being that Christianity and other religions deem homosexuality a “sin”.
Also, homosexuality is not a dangerous lifstyle. It doesn’t have any risks dealing with emotional or physical damage. Alcoholism is unacceptable, not because it is a “sin,” but because it makes people more suspectible to violent, irrational, and unresponsible behavior. Homosexuality is only sociably unacceptable in the United States because the majority of the population are Christians who believe homosexuality is wrong. The only reason why some people feel conflicted about their homosexuality is because they were raised to believe that it is wrong. They were taught to mistrust their insticts and to “go with society” and “god’s word.” Sexuality is a natural thing and shouldn’t be controlled by a group. It is a tool of self-expression and what someone decides to do in their bed with their consenting partner isn’t anyone’s business.
I feel that Christianity likes to turn everything good in life into something for everyone to feel guilty about.
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Title: Reply: Reply: Homosexuality
Date : July 24, 2009
Last Updated : September 2, 2009
Writer : Terri-Anne - Evangelove . Com
Hi Jessica. I stopped by to reply to your nice message on my tag board and decided to look around and I came across
your article on homosexuality. (Your site is very nice by the way).
I think it's a reasonable assumption to make that this is a commentary related to an article on my site (I don't take credit for it because I didn't actually write it).
Before you go on reading this, first I'd like to warn you that this is a long message. I'm very bad at being brief lol. And also, I would just like to ask you're permission if I can post your commentary on my site. I find it interesting to see both sides of an issue and it may spark some interest in others to share their thoughts. Plus, your thoughts are intriguing and it'll be an example to others because it's really rare for me to read an opposing comment about Christianity which is both honest and respectful, such as yours. So that I am very grateful for that. If you do not want me to post what you have written, it's ok. But I will be posting some of this email to you, edited accordingly. (I will remind you at the end).
Anyways, I hope I explain this well, but I guess this article on my site was mainly written for people who are Christians, want to obey God, and may be homosexual at the same time. Christianity teaches about a God who loves everyone as a parent should, even though we disobey Him. God has established what is right and what is wrong. Yet while some choose to obey God, others choose not to. I'm not going to go into all the details, unless one day you ask to learn more, but for the sake of this commentary, I'll just explain this:
As explained in the Bible, sin is something that everyone struggles with, both believers and non-believers. And the article on my site was written from a Christian point of view. From a non-Christian point of view, there may or may not be a concept of sin, so the idea of homosexuality can either be deemed as natural and/or harmless, or from the opposing side, just socially unacceptable. When it comes to "morality" I don't know how people can argue what is right or wrong because it is not tangible and it is only relative to who/what each individual chooses to obey. In Christianity, we obey God, who says that it is wrong. (It may be the same case in other religions). For other groups and individuals, they tend to obey either tradition, laws of the lands or their own intuition. So for me as a Christian telling someone who does not believe in God (for example) that this-and-that is wrong because God says so, might not have any bearing on them.
My point is, in Christianity we believe that God is not just a God for us, but a God for everyone, yet not everyone chooses to obey (or place their trust in Him). And, we have learned and believe in consequences of sin, and consequences of obeying God's words which would be to receive what He has promised us. So knowing/believing this, we want to tell others so that they can also share in the promises what He has for those who places their trust in Him. So someone who has not learned about God, or for someone who does not believe in His word, would disagree with us on consequences for actions .
It is everyone's free will to personally believe in what they want. Because of what the Bible teaches, I created this website so that those who read, could say, at least they know, and from that point, decide what they want to do with it; to either discard it, or to live by it.
So when you say "Also, homosexuality is not a dangerous lifestyle. It doesn't have any risks dealing with emotional or physical damage. Alcoholism is unacceptable, not because it is a 'sin' but because it makes people more susceptible to violent, irrational, and irresponsible behaviour."
From man's standards and point of view, generally what is deemed wrong is based on how it affects others such as killing, stealing and drinking while drunk. But in Christianity, God's standards are different from man's standards, and what He deems wrong doesn't necessarily have to be something that may harm others. Because you're right, being gay does not kill anybody, rob them of anything or causes anyone else physical harm. But, according to Christianity, it is indeed spiritually 'dangerous' just as any other sin because of what God says in the Bible.
Anyways, I'm not here to argue whether it's right or wrong, but just to explain to you that Christianity sees things from a different light. For us to say that is it wrong, it's not a statement of hate or condemnation, but rather out of love. (Some people with those intentions may have a bad way of expressing it) The consequences of sin are things that we do not want anyone to suffer. Some consequences may or not be experienced in this life time, but we believe in one which would be experienced after death, which is being sent to hell forever. Once we tell people this, whether they reject it or believe it, it is up to them, because we are, I suppose I can say "messengers", not people who are to force others to believe in what we believe.
The unfortunate thing is that not all Christians, or "Christians" (note the quotation marks) act as they should. Yes, you may come across people who can be forceful, or claim to obey the word God when they have actually twisted and distorted it so that it would accommodate their own beliefs. This makes it hard on people like me, who try to tell people that Christianity is based on Love, when others have already 'judged' all Christians to be the same, based on their bad experiences with false proclaiming ones. Almost like, for example, someone going to McDonalds, and receiving bad service or something gross in their coffee. Instinctively they may say "McDonalds gives bad service and I am never going to order there again" when it was based on one experience, at one McDonalds, from one employee. It doesn't mean that the next employee or the next restaurant would do the same thing. Same for any other group, whether business, race or religion...(etc). If one person does something wrong, suddenly everyone from the same group are the same. So, I am not like the next 'Christian' you may meet who would just condemn people. I'm just trying to spread God's message to anyone who wants to hear.
As promised, I would just like to remind you of my request: if I may post your comment on my site, so that people can see both sides of the issue and send in their remarks as well. I hope I've given you a proper insight of "where we're coming from" when we say such things. And if you'd ever like to know more, and understand what we believe in and why, feel free to ask.
If you want to continue this discussion, you can email me at email@example.com. I'd really like to hear from you :)
Title: Reply: Reply: Reply: Homosexuality
Date : July 24, 2009
Writer : Jessica - Memories Fade . Org
I'd just like to start off by saying that I like your website too, despite not being Christian. While I don't agree with everything on your website it is the least biased of all the Christian websites I have seen. And you are welcome to post my comment. I also love reading both sides of the issues. I think whether people are Christian or not it helps them stay firm in their beliefs.
I've never bothered to read the entire bible, but I have read the parts where it deems homosexuality wrong. In the Bible, God says that he made woman for man, not man for man or woman for woman, and it is a sin to go against it. I have not found a reasonable quote from the bible that I deem a good reason for being against homosexuality and if you have good quotes, I would love to read them. One reason I don't believe in the Bible is because how do we really know it is God's word?
Christianity itself may not be a bad thing, but the "Super churces" (as I think I shall call them from now on) are or have been corrupt. One such Church would be the Roman Catholic Church. I don't know how much power it has now, but I am sure it had a heck of a lot more a couple of centuries ago. It changed so many doctrines in order to hold their power over their people. Even today it does it. The pope just recently said he may change his mind on the morality of married couples using condoms. (I have no idea what resulted on this statement and I will give you a source as soon as I find it again.)
I don't trust the internet too well, because anyone can post anything. The reason I began drifting away from religion is because I don't understand how one person can speak the word of God, though. Or how a book that is easily editable for the selfish purpose of a group/entity - the same book which gets translated and re-translated from one language to another that it could possibly change its meaning entirely.
I don't understand how anyone could know what God or whatever religious figure (gods/goddesses) wants of them. Maybe that feeling that people get that makes them feel apart of something bigger isn't an illusion. We FEEL it, but how can you place it in words? Sorry if I was rambling. I look forward to your answer. =] - Jessica
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Title: Reply: Reply: Reply: Homosexuality
Date : August 31, 2009
Last Updated : N/A
Writer : Terri-Anne - Evangelove . Com
Sorry for the LONG delay for a reply. This is probably the fifth attempt on writing something and this is the shortest I can get it to be. Had this been a personal message, serving one purpose which is to reply to your questions, arguments, and ideas, I would have tried to sound less "Preachy". But since this is being displayed on my website, I'm going to "kill two birds with one stone" and accomplish other purposes which is to also present the Word of God. But I hope that within this text, you will find the answers to what you were looking for, from the point of view of a Christian.
I guess that, for someone who is not a Christian, Christianity is not well understood, especially if read in specific parts, or when relying on other people for religious council. Such as, only reading certain passages in the Bible which can be read out of context, or solely relying on the Pope, Priests, or other religious leaders rather than relying on God. The whole concept of Christianity and Religion has been "skewered", distorted and altered that it's no surprise that people are turned off when they hear the name "Jesus" when it is not being used as a swear word. So when genuine Christians try to talk about God, most people don't want to hear anything, because of the false or misunderstood things they have heard.
You should read the page called "Religion or Salvation". To briefly summarise it, religion is manmade, invented so that we can feel good about ourselves and remove our guilt for doing wrong. It can also be chosen based on what we want, based on what does not contradict our lifestyles, rather than based on what God wants.
I can't speak for all, but the "Super churches" you refer to, they pray to statues, to Mary, Saint Paul, Saint Christopher, Saint This, Saint That; Most times it's all about the beads and the holy water, the essence, the recited prayers. And then, oh well, we did all this, followed all the steps, our sins are forgiven, let's go and sin again. But then we have to take a step back and say, "Hey, where is God and Jesus in all this?" It seems like Christ is a tool, rather than the center of their faith. As written in Religion or Salvation, "Men are willing to give head knowledge to the claims of Christianity, but they refuse to accept in their hearts the Christ of Christianity."
People who want to follow God, but follow other people to find the way, will lose their way.
WITHIN CHRISTIANITY: Church exists so that Christians who follow the Bible can come together. We have leaders in these churches who follow the Bible for organization, preaching, councelling, ect. But when these leaders stray away, when they seek after their own desires, under their own direction, when they become self righteous, condemning others yet indulge in sins themselves, all we get are hypocrites, liars, cheaters, and turning faithful people away. People reading this may say, "Well who can we trust? How can we differentiate genuine Christians from those who aren't?"
OUTSIDE CHRISTIANITY: Some people don't like Christianity at all, because it does not suit their lifestyles. People want to continue engaging in certain activities, and don't want to be told that they are sinning, so they find religions which would not tell them that, or give up on religion completely. Some people go as far as to reinvent Christianity, calling themselves "Christians", picking and choosing what they like in the Bible and blocking out the rest.
True Christianity is a relationship between Man and a living, loving, personal God (Man as in humanity). It's not about fancy ornaments, being perfect, looking the best, lighting candles, spraying holy water, reciting words; it's admitting that we are sinners, and that we need God. Believing that He loves us, as a father would love his child. He's not this entity, or some unknown Higher Power, disconnected from us. He's here, waiting for us to come to Him, and to love and trust Him. To the world we're just numbers, statistics, we are our race, our gender, the pretty, the ugly, and the uglier; we are nobodies to about 6 billion people except our friends and family. But to God, we are somebody. He knows us each personally; the numbers of our hairs are numbered. He knows what we are thinking, what we feel, our past, our future. But most of us don't know God, and don't want to know God, don't want to believe that He exists.
"I don't understand how anyone could know what God or whatever religious figure (gods/goddesses) wants of them." Many people feel this way. The only answer I can give is to read the very book He gave to us: The Bible. That's how we get to know Him and His will. When we invite Him into our lives, when we speak with Him through prayer, faith and through reading His Word, He speaks to us too.
"I don't understand how one person can speak the word of God, though. Or how a book that is easily editable for the selfish purpose of a group/entity - the same book which gets translated and re-translated from one language to another that it could possibly change its meaning entirely." I've heard this before, and I sometimes ask myself the same question. I wasn't there 2000 years ago to say that I've witnessed everything in the Bible with my own eyes. But I believe it. After all the things that I've seen, experienced, all the times when bad situations turned out for the good, or when things in life works out, I know that it is not because of my own efforts, but because God is there. His Word comes to life, and I see the truth in it, and His promises being fulfilled. After all this, nothing can shake my faith. The way I see it, my lack of faith would not change who God is. If one day I stopped believing God and turned away from Him, it doesn't make Him disappear and ceasing to exist.
Now back to the original topic that started this discussion, Homosexuality. What kind of "good reason" are you looking for? Every action has good and bad consequences in life, but with most things we learn to deal with it. This includes discrimination, hate, and opposition; loss of friends and families, STD's, whatever it may be. Then the good consequences are temporary satisfaction, and in the case of homosexuality, one may find a life partner who loves them. These are all things experienced in this life. But I'm looking beyond that; beyond this life, beyond what we see.
"..The Bible does not describe homosexuality as a greater sin that any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God's forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17)." - Got-Questions.Org.
The only good reason I can offer is that this type of sin will keep a person from going to heaven. As I have mentioned either in one of the replies, or in another page, all sins are the same to God and no sin is greater or worst because they all lead to the same punishment: hell. But when someone accepts Jesus's sacrifice and atonement through His death and resurrection, they are forgiven, saved, have a relationship with God and will go to heaven. But accepting His sacrifice and atonement involves among other things which is repentance and obedience; repentance meaning being sorry for our sins and turning away from them and turning to God.